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Unpacking the 2025 Gartner Magic Quadrant for Wired & Wireless and Discussion on the HPE Juniper Merger!
The wireless networking landscape is witnessing a dramatic shift as revealed in the newly released 2025 Gartner Magic Quadrant for Enterprise Wired and Wireless LAN Infrastructure. Juniper Networks has emerged as the clear frontrunner, claiming the coveted top-right position with superior marks for both execution capability and strategic vision. Meanwhile, longtime industry leader Cisco shows signs of strategic drift despite maintaining strong execution abilities.
Newcomers are making waves too—Nile and Meter have stormed into the visionaries quadrant, though many industry experts believe Meter deserves an even stronger position for their innovative approach and comprehensive vision. When comparing this year's rankings to 2024, the movement reveals fascinating shifts in vendor positioning that signal where enterprise networking might be heading.
Even more intriguing is the recent Department of Justice approval of the $14 billion Juniper-HPE merger, but with substantial strings attached. HPE must divest its Instant On wireless business, and perhaps most significantly, Juniper's coveted Mist AI technology must be licensed through an auction process to competitors—with the stipulation that it cannot be integrated into Aruba Central or GreenLake platforms.
This restriction fundamentally challenges what many believed was the primary motivation behind the acquisition. As Drew Lentz explains through his vivid "botana effect" analogy (referencing a Texas nacho platter), HPE has all the individual components of a comprehensive networking solution, but lacks the unifying foundation that Mist AI was expected to provide.
The restrictions have sparked widespread speculation: Could Mist founder Bob Friday potentially leave Juniper to create a "Mist 2.0" with the licensed technology? Who might bid for these valuable AI capabilities? And how will these developments reshape the wireless networking landscape?
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hmm, ah well, are we going to talk about it? I think we should talk about it. Ah, you know Avicii what a great artist. Always a good time. All right, let's talk about it. Let's talk about what is going on. In the last two days, some interesting things have developed and instead of just waiting and trying to aggregate all the news and see what's going on, I figured I would just jump on and have a quick chat if anyone wants to join. Hopefully we get a couple people to join in here. Anyway, how's it going? I'm Drew Lentz, wireless Nerd.
Speaker 1:It is Monday, june 30th 2025. Lots of interesting things happen across the weekend and I wanted to talk about them, so let's see. Should we talk about it? First off, let me make sure I got my little. I got all my megabytes in order. Make sure I can hear what I'm, what I'm saying. I wonder if anyone's awake. It seems like it's kind of late. You know it's nine 30 at night. I wonder if anybody's awake right now. I wonder if anybody's listening. Um, you know, it looks like, uh, it looks like I'm live. So there's that. It's pretty cool. Hope everybody's having a good weekend.
Speaker 1:July 4th is coming up in the States, so that'll be exciting. But here's what I want to talk about. You ready, we gonna talk about it, let's talk about it. Let's discuss what's going on in the magical, magical quadrant. So stuff was pushed out today the Gartner Magic Quadrant for those who don't know in Enterprise Wired and Wireless LAN infrastructure was released as of June 2025, and everyone seems to be talking about it on the exact same day that it went public. And there's some movers, some shakers and some things here that I thought are interesting, and I don't know how they compare to last year, in all fairness, but you know who cares about last year. Let's look at 2025 and what's happening in the Magic Quadrant. I'm using Juniper's graphic here because Juniper looks like, by far and away, they're taking the top right corner, and if you've never seen the magic quadrant before, here's what you got.
Speaker 1:On the left hand side, the bottom lower side. It starts off with the ability to execute right and you're talking like, like, from a scale of zero to I don't know 10 or something I don't know. Um, you've, you've got, you've got the magic quadrant that shows who's doing what, and on the bottom left-hand corner, um, on that access, you've got zero to 10. Give me a second. I was looking something up here. Okay, that's what I thought. I'm going to try and pull up the results from the last one. Um, think I can find it here. I just got to open up a new window, anyway, okay, so down bottom left-hand corner, you've got the ability to execute is at the very bottom left and if you follow the Y-axis and you look at it, you have I believe it's the Y right. Y is up. Now. You see, from zero all the way up to the top with the ability to execute, and then on the bottom corner again, going from left to right. It's a completeness of vision. So ideally, you want to be all the way up in the top right. That means that you've got an extreme ability to execute and you have a completeness of vision. So you know what you're doing, you know how to get there. And they break it up in four areas Bottom left-hand quadrant is the niche players, bottom right-hand is the visionaries, top right is the leaders and the top left is the challengers, meaning that they've got the ability to execute, but maybe their vision isn't complete, Maybe they're moving faster.
Speaker 1:I'm teaching class on the Magic Quadrant, hey, man, you know. For those who've never seen it, jake. You know you never know what's going on, but what you have is, if you're on the top right-hand side, that's generally the area that everyone strives to be in. I like the top left-hand side. I think that that's kind of cool, because those are people that are up and coming, challenging the market. Where you don't want to be is on the bottom left-hand corner. It means you're incomplete and you can't execute, and there's some people that are down there. Then the bottom right-hand side means that you're so much of a visionary but you just really don't have what it takes to execute.
Speaker 1:So normally this thing comes out and I'm not sure if I agree with it or disagree with it, but this year I'm looking at it and I'm going okay, let me let me see what's happening. Plus, this year I've got a podcast audience I can chit chat with, and so what I'm looking at here is the one that's. That's shocking to me and this is what I want to see. Hold on, let me go look at the magic quadrant from last year. Magic quadrant 2020, what is it? 2024?. And then we're going to look up wired Whoa, if I could type it correctly, wired and wireless. Where were we last year. So last year, look at this, oh boy, as of January 2024. So this is coming from Fortinet's page. Let's see, am I able to show that off? Yeah, dude, I'm showing that off.
Speaker 1:Okay, if you look at where Cisco was last year, they were in the leaders section and they were leading and had a completeness of vision, and Juniper and HP were up there, right, these guys are just killing it Like they're doing all these things to just go crazy with it. Xtreme was up there also. But if you look at where we're at this year, cisco's moved over to the left, with the completeness of vision not being what it was last year. So it's like they they don't.
Speaker 1:God you know, I sometimes, when I talk, smack on the mic, sometimes I think maybe, maybe I'm alone in my own little corner of the world, and then I see something like this pop out and it's like, well, they're lagging behind exactly where I thought they were lagging behind. They've got the. I would actually put their ability to execute is way higher, in my opinion, than fortinet and it's probably higher than hpe. Huawei, I mean, you can't. Yeah, I would agree with that. I would, would move, I would move Cisco up, like up a little bit, saying that they could probably execute a little bit better. Um, but their completeness of vision, I think, is spot on.
Speaker 1:Now, if you look at the leader here which is showing Juniper, right, right up here, leading with their, with their ability to execute and completeness of vision, I mean I feel that I feel like they're kind of running away, they're getting out there. And it's neat to see that, because if you look at how the merger which is the second thing I want to talk about how the merger was just approved between HP and Juniper, this is going to move HP. Okay. So that's the question Is this going to move HP Aruba up to the top right more, or is it going to move Juniper networks down to the bottom left more?
Speaker 1:And then Fortinet good old Fortinet just hanging out, just hanging out right there in the corner. Compared to where they were last year, it looks like they lost a little bit of completeness of vision and it looks like they moved. No, no, they're about the same when it comes to ability to execute, but Fortinet just holding on, just just hanging out there, you know, like, like not minding anybody, you know, not minding what people are saying is going on, they're just chilling, chilling in that quadrant living life, man, just living life. Okay, oh, here we go. It's jonathan finney's online and, and this is going to be perfect, I gotta figure out a way to bring you into this conversation other than just talking on LinkedIn, because I'm curious what this is. Let's look at the other ones Arista, where they have Arista here, they moved Arista down. Okay, so Arista last year was lower on ability to execute. They're saying Arista's way higher on ability to execute now, and then Extreme now and then extreme.
Speaker 1:Where are they showing with extreme dude, what they knocked extreme down in ability to execute and then uh, and then back into the left on completeness of vision, dude. You know, that's the thing, man. Extreme, just extreme, just chugs along. And if you don't think, if you don't think extreme's doing anything nuts to go to an MLB ballpark, they're everywhere they're. Go to an NFL stadium, they're everywhere there. I'm not trying to hear that. I'm going to give extreme a little bit more credit. Now there's two other ones that I want to look at, and you know where I'm going with this. Down below extreme, you've got Nile and meter almost head to head and it seems like Niall is edging out the ability to execute and the completeness of vision over meter man.
Speaker 1:I got to disagree with this. I really have to disagree with this. I don't even know. They weren't even on the map. Like, literally on the map is of January 2024, this last one that I'm referencing, right, and here they are. Gartner, I mean, maybe you don't want to believe it and and I don't, I disagree with the placement. I want to say they're either head-to-head or meters got an edge on Nile because meters, meters been doing this for a little bit longer. They've got their ducks in a row and their vision. If you don't think they've got a completeness of vision, you haven't been to one of their shows, you haven't seen what they're doing, you haven't seen the entire package that's put together there. So, completeness of vision, I disagree. I think they've got a bigger completeness of vision than Arista does, for sure, and I love the guys at Arista.
Speaker 1:But from a wireless perspective, man, I don't know. You know, the thing is, is is so like, let's go back in time. I remember when ruckus didn't even place on this thing, when, when, when ruckus wasn't even considered part of the wired and wireless uh infrastructure group because they were wireless only, and it wasn't until they started cranking out switches that they were even considered. So you had all these wireless vendors, airtight networks being one of them that turned into mojo, that's now arista. You had players like arrow hive that just didn't exist on this thing. They couldn't get rated by gartner because it was wired and wireless, it wasn't just wireless. So now at least it seems like we've got a better representation of vendors that are out there, um, but still it's come a long way. So let's get back to this thing. So let's see.
Speaker 1:Jake is asking do you think that folks are backsliding or is it Juniper just stretching the lead? That's a great question, jake. I don't think Juniper is stretching that much. Well, okay, I can answer it twice. Right, I do think Juniper is stretching the lead, but does that? Is it flat, you know? Is it changing the curve man? I feel like there's opportunity for everybody to catch up. I don't think Juniper's that far ahead, and I guess they are. I mean, according to this, I mean, I can't, I don't want to necessarily argue with that. I think they are light years ahead of HP Aruba, but I think Cisco now is a little bit closer. But again, this is of June 2025. So this isn't including any of the new stuff that Cisco is doing.
Speaker 1:I think if you reevaluated this now where Cisco is, you would move Cisco further to the right, in front of Fortinet, yeah, and maybe head-to-head with HPE. But then Nile and Meter I disagree, man. I disagree with this. I think that they are visionaries. I think that they probably still belong in that quadrant, but I think their vision is way further to the right. I think I would even say that Meter is a little bit further to the right of Juniper. I would say that Meter needs to be way out to the right in a class of their own. But their ability to execute, just because they don't have the market share, might not be above that 50% mark. I don't know. What else do we have? Oh, eva's on. Hey, eva, you know I, yeah, it's, it's. I see. I think Comscopes are right on.
Speaker 1:I think Allied Telesis, even being in there, is kind of weird. Join Digital, that's a newcomer that's on there. They weren't there last year, were they? I don't remember seeing them. Allied Telesis, no, they weren't even in there. Join Digital got to learn a little bit about them at Wi-Fi. Now, man Klaus hosted them in Silicon Valley. Join Digital is pretty cool, but they're all based on open Wi-Fi, so I don't know that the completeness of vision even lives on. I need to learn more about them. I don't know that the completeness of vision is even necessarily everything that they're doing, since they're using that.
Speaker 1:What is H3C? Why don't I know this? Anyone want to give me a hint before I just Google it? H3c why don't I know this? Anyone want to give me a hint before I just Google it? H3c why don't I? I should know what that is. H3c An industry leader in provision of digital solutions. H3c Campus switching. Dude, I have never in my life come across H3C. Or is it HEC? H3c? Never come across them. Wow, okay, well, dude, there they are hanging out in the magic quadrant. Okay, yeah, h3ccom. I had not seen them before. And ALE yeah, okay, it's Alcatel. I was like I didn't realize it was Alcatel-Lucent Enterprise. I thought Alcatel-Lucent had, like, faded away into the darkness. Anyway, maybe not. So this is the Magic Quadrant for 2025.
Speaker 1:Showing Juniper with a clear up and to the right, tp-link bottom and to the left, not gaining any traction. Looks like compared to where they were last year is just about the same. Allied Telesis Whoa big mover over there, moving to the right in completeness of vision, so it looks like their stuff's coming together. I disagree with placement of nylon meter. H3c was part of old HP network. Got it Former 3Com? Oh, wow, okay. Well, that's interesting, man, there's a name I haven't heard in a minute. I don't know.
Speaker 1:What do you guys think? I mean, you guys are all over the chat today. This is great. What's up chat? I can say that now because there's three people listening. What do you think? Do you think this is right on? Do you think it's off? A little bit.
Speaker 1:I would say, looking at this year's 2025 Gartner Magic Quadrant, I think Juniper does have a good lead up into the right. I think Nile and Meter are misplaced. I think Meter should be a lot further to the right, maybe even further to the right than Juniper and their ability to execute. Is this taking into account $170 million of their latest investment? Because that's some fuel in the tank, if you know what I'm saying, brother. I don't know man. I think Meter's misplaced on this one. I same brother. I don't know man. I think meters misplaced on this one. I think extreme needs a lot more love.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know, not hearing much from arista. I think comscope ruckus has just fallen, fallen down into the left and I mean, even like you saw, you know, for those y'all that pay attention to the linkedins, uh, eric, the guy who is running all of um, you know the k-12 guy, eric, and um, henrik heinrich. I forgot his name. I've only met him a couple of times, but that guy is such a great powerhouse in the educational space and to see him now moving over to Juniper, that was a shocker. I didn't see that one coming. That was a fun thing to read. So I don't know. I agree on meeting being more ahead. Yeah, I mean, obviously I think so. And for those of y'all that don't know, meter, yes, meter is a sponsor of the waves podcast, but that doesn't mean that I'm not calling it like it is. I think they should be a lot further to the right.
Speaker 1:But this is also this has to do. You know, as with anything, it has to do with how much you know about a product and how much you've researched a product and how much you've looked into a product. I've spent a lot of time looking at the ones that that I favor. I haven't spent any time looking at Huawei. I can't tell you if Huawei is placed right or not. I can't tell you if Alcatel-Lucent is placed right or not, or H3C. I can tell you that I think, from the ones that I know, I think that the Juniper and HP ones are good. I think Cisco actually needs to be further to the left and I think Meter needs to be further to the right. I think those are the big changes that I would make. So, if this is your first time looking at the 2025 Gartner Magic Quadrant, that's my little breakdown.
Speaker 1:Let's see what Eva's saying. I think it's right for the most part, but not sure when the cutoff of this chart was. Yeah, totally agree. I think that has a lot to do with it. A lot has happened just in the last three weeks, man. So, eva, I think you're spot on with that. Many of these companies have had big news recently that weren't factored in, for better or worse. Totally agree, totally agree with you. I mean, as with anything, it's a snapshot of where it's going. But I will tell you if you discount, if you take away the announcements at Cisco Live and you take away the new fundraising effort from Meter not fundraising, but the raise from Meter if you take those out and you look at and before the press release about hp and I don't think the press release has anything to do with it, but if you go pre-cisco live, I think this was spot on, and pre-cisco live I would still say meters way further to the right and cisco's way further to the left. But that's just what I'm thinking now.
Speaker 1:The other thing I want to talk about is and I blame I Mr Finney for this is all of the jibber jabber. You can see who I'm looking at here. Let's jump onto my LinkedIn. I love to share my LinkedIn Cause. Then people are like I saw that you had searched for this. Look at this, we're gonna have some fun with this one. This is what happens. You get online and you start talking smack and then I call you out and I I put your uh, I put your post front and center on the screen for the whole world of the wireless nerds to watch. So this is interesting, man, since no one else is talking about it or maybe just read it wrong, this is taking a direction of being its own company.
Speaker 1:So what this is talking about. This is a very eye-catching graphic. Ten points to you, sir. An extra three internets for you for having a graphic that got people a little shook. What does this mean? Oh, before I get into that, I want you to know that you called out RIP Air Magnet down here. There was a product announcement today about the new, updated version of Air Magnet. So if you don't know what's going on, go check out NetAlly Air Magnet and take a look at what they're doing, because it's funny that you said Air Magnet is a dead product at this point and they just made a. They just had a release on that. So, anyway, just for what that's worth.
Speaker 1:So let's go back and talk about the matter at hand. The matter at hand is that the DOJ came out and they said that that the merger was good to go. That missed. I'm sorry that Juniper and HPE could merge as long as they did a couple of different things. And let's go ahead and let's do the magic screen share thing here.
Speaker 1:Let's look at Reuters. Right, there's a good one. They say, yep, $14 billion takeover is great, except there's a couple of things that they have to do. Right, the cell phone requires a combined company to divest an advertisement for a streaming tool. The cell phone requires a combined company to divest hpe's instant on wireless networking business.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's number one. So what does that mean? That means that their instant on product that has been their, their uh basic entry level product let's take a look at. Let's just google instant on real quick. This was their small business uh stuff, it's quick and easy to set up. It was it was meant to handle just small business stuff. It's quick and easy to set up. It was meant to handle just small business without having all the complexity that goes behind Aruba Central and controller-based applications and all that. It runs across an app, but still from a price point, still not a low price point, but something that was simple. So they're saying, okay, you got to dump Instant On, that's number one. And after you dump instant on, the second thing you have to do license the source code for Juniper's Mist AI software using in Juniper's WLAN products. Okay. So I read that and I was like I'm not really sure what that means. I wonder if anyone's gone out and done the research. Okay, well, it turns out hello Internet On the Internet.
Speaker 1:Now it says that part of this is them going off and offering they have to auction off to parties that can take advantage of it. They have to auction off the missed AI software. So here it is right. Aiops for missed bidders means the companies that participate in AIOps. Defendants is those people. Hp is this group, juniper is a defendant. Aiops for missed license means where is it the bidder, bidders that meet the required criteria for missed AIOps? Source code auction to which defendants license the AIOps for missed source code license. Aiops for missed source code means a source code, and so the idea here is that they have to.
Speaker 1:There's the stuff about. I didn't even see the rest of this Divestiture personnel. Oh no, all right, jonathan's going to explain this. One man, I just got to figure out how to get you on this thing. Hp gets to keep missed AI. Man, I just got to figure out how to get you on this thing. Hp gets to keep missed AI. But it also means that a competitor not named Cisco they hold too much market share can absolutely take the missed AI and run with it. Speculative conversation coming.
Speaker 1:Either someone like Xtreme or even a private private equity baked with enough capital with Bob Friday, gets to take his toys and create Miss 2.0, although they wouldn't be legally allowed to call it Miss 2.0 through the DOJ approved auction process, which HP has zero say in who gets it. So they have to license this stuff off, they've got to go and they've got to make it available to someone who can use it and say, okay, you've got, you have the ability to use this and you have the ability to own license. And then now they will own the license and it will be licensed to HPE, but meaning it could also be licensed to other people. So like, let's say that Jonathan Finley decides that he's going to use that, he's going to go bid on this and he's going to buy it. He's going to license it back to HPE, but he can also license it to other groups. So the question is is whoever acquires this, are they going to license it to HPE only or Juniper only? Are they going to license it to everyone? Are they going to not license it? I don't know. There's a lot to go in here.
Speaker 1:Also, to note, they cannot bake Myst AI into Aruba Central or Green Lake. So Aruba Central and Green Lake cannot have it integrated into it. That's stipulated in here. And it must also provide updates they make to the missed AI with the winning bidder. So it looks like it still gets to go at 100%. They must provide support and all updates to the source code they do.
Speaker 1:So this is someone who's going to be set up where, when they win it, it's money in the bank, right? This is someone who's got the capital, who's got the drive, who's got the knowledge. Who wants to purchase this? And that company is going to have a baked-in client. Am I reading that right? They're going to just be able to license it directly to HP as part of this deal, but it can't be owned by HP and it can't be Cisco that owns it. So, private equity, eat your heart out. You know, all the chips are going to fall right and we're going to see who bids on this and we're going to see who bids on this. We're going to see who wins and we're going to see how that plays into.
Speaker 1:Who started this whole hoopla in the first place? I guess, um, this is a. This is a fascinating turn of events. But will it launch miss 2.0? Is bob gonna leave juniper and go start his own miss 2.0 and license his own is? Does he get? Does he get his baby back and he gets a license as baby? Oh, bob, you know it's funny.
Speaker 1:I was walking through, I was walking through the national retail Federation show and I saw, uh, and dude, listen, if you're listening to this, you probably know me and you probably know the same people that I do, and it's always fun to run into the people that we do. If you don't know me and you don't actually personally know me or a lot of these people I talk about I'm not talking about them like these aren't the celebrities. Bob's kind of a celebrity, I guess. But, dude, when you run into him it's hilarious, because I'm walking on the show floor and there's Bob eating a hot dog and I look at Bob and go, bob, what are you doing here? He goes Drew, what are you doing here? And it was a fun little conversation and I asked him. I said what's next? Like, are you going to stick around? He says, man, I got like this is going to be great. I have no idea what's coming next, I have no idea what to expect from this, and so I'm sure Bob's just sitting back having a good old time with that. So kudos to him for everything that he did.
Speaker 1:But let's see where time frame in this. Was there a time frame, jonathan? Did you see a time frame mentioned anywhere in here? Um maintain the sites of revenue 2024 2025. Defendants must maintain working conditions, staffing levels and workforce training expertise of all relevant hp diversiture personnel. Relevant hp diversiture personnel must not be transferred or assigned except to the acquirer or if initiated by the employee personuant to HP. I mean, there's some interesting stipulations in this. Defendants must maintain all licenses, permits, approvals, authorizations and certifications related or necessary for the operation of the HP divestiture assets and must operate in compliance with law. This is, I mean, this is kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:Anyway, if you're as much of a nerd as we are flipping back over here so you can see all this, then I'm curious what you think is going to happen with this and and how this is going to shake up, because a lot of people have said have said pretty much the same thing. If you look at it, it's a lot of people saying, hey, man, I thought the whole reason that they bought this was to get their hands on on missed AI, you know? And now that you can't do that, now what? Let's see what the most recent comments are there. Missed 2.0. Where does it go from here? A good discussion point. What if HP truly won the missed part?
Speaker 1:Or the acquisition was all about Juniper and the data center? I don't know. Do you think it was about the, the data center? I mean, I really I love what hpe has put together with aruba and with, with raza and with cape and with you know everything that they, that they stacked up. They've got this great little box of toys right that we're all supposed to magically work together and I really did think that, with this acquisition, that mist was going to be the magic sauce that tied them all together. Well, now, you can't bake it into central, you can't run it on green lake. It's got to be this third party service with these hooks that tie everything together. Is it going to be the magic sauce? You know, I talk about the nacho effect or the, the botana effects.
Speaker 1:In south texas we have these things called botanas, and if you haven't heard me use this example, let me try, uh, let me try and bring up an image of a botana. A botana is like, it's like nachos man and what they. What they do in a botana platter is they stack all the meats, uh, and they stack all the meats and they stack all the food right on top of each other. So look, here's a screenshot from Texas Monthly. So right there in the middle, you've got the quesadillas, you've got chicken fajitas, beef fajitas, you've got all the peppers, you've got jalapenos, you've got tomatoes and cheese and beans and all this stuff, right, and what they do is they line chips all on the bottom of it, man, and those chips have melted cheese and frijoles on them and they've got beans on them and they're set up and then they load all the stuff on there like all the goodness, and the botana is like this platter, that's like everybody. It's like a buffet on a platter, man, and with botanas.
Speaker 1:Some of the best parts of the botana are at the very bottom, and at the bottom you can pull off a chip and my daughter and I will go on nacho dates sometimes my oldest daughter and it's like when you pull off the chip, you want the chip that has all of the things on it right? It's the perfect mixture of all of the grease and the cheese and the food and the meat and the salt and the pepper, and it's a perfect chip. And me I think about, I think about hp as all of the ingredients for a botana, right, they've got the quesadillas and they've got the, the nachos and the chips and the you know, the beans and the meat and all the things, all the onions and all the goodness, but there's never been. They're all individual, they're all individualized, right, they have all these different things and there's no magic chip, like there's no layer of tortilla chips on the bottom that's collecting all the goodness and so that like there's that piece that's missing from it, that component, and I'm hungry. But also that's what I thought Mist was going to bring to this. It was going to be those magic, that magic layer of nacho chips on the bottom that captured all of the goodness and it was going to be like the HPE botana and to learn what's going on. It's like man, that's kind of like I don't know if it's going to be there.
Speaker 1:Okay, so back to what Jake was saying. Not Jake, jonathan has some good stuff. Jake was saying data center service for our real firewall. Yep, absolutely get that. Jonathan's saying this might be some fire, but, yes, gpt helps.
Speaker 1:But I decided to throw Bob's post in the GPT and I asked it let's go for full forensic linguistic strategic analysis on a Bob Friday post. Here's a detailed breakdown of tone where this is so good. I hope y'all are on LinkedIn reading these comments, man, because this is so awesome. Bob Friday's post is a masterclass in subtle narrative control. Gpt says he asserts ownership of misintellectual property, he defends its integrity against commodization, he intentionally avoids signaling alignment with HP and he celebrates the present while carefully avoiding commitments to the future. This is not a victory lap. It's a prelude to a potential reemergence. Okay, so if you feed the LinkedIn post into GPT, that's what it tells you. Oh my God, dude, that is hilarious. Um, you never know what's going to happen, man, it's going to be, it's going to be fascinating either way to to understand what's going on with all this. But, oh boy, all right. Well, listen, that was 30 minutes of fun.
Speaker 1:I appreciate everyone with the back and forth on on linkedin and on youtube. I just want to talk about those things real quick, just because the magic quadrant's out and you know, and it goes hand in hand with what's happening with this deal. You know I don't have a dog in the race on either one of them, but I do love to see innovation and things happening in the wireless space and things like this always spark interest and to get people excited about technology and where it is. So the big question is you know when's Wi-Fi 8 coming out? No, I don't know. Is 5G going to take over Wi-Fi? No, it's not. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:And I'm getting some heat. Speaking of heat, I'm getting some heat for that post where I called Private 5G. I made it akin to a cell phone holster. Some people did not like that. They got a little offended, but it also sparked some good conversation. Anyway, I'll probably be back online tomorrow and I'll talk about the news and do the rundown and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1:But I figured at least this would be fun for a conversation. Plus, if I get a thousand more listen hours, I can monetize on YouTube. And I want to check out my lights on the camera to see if this switching camera was helpful. It's going to be an interesting to see what happens and comes up. Biggest news of the year yeah, it's definitely it's worth spending some time chit-chatting about. I agree with that.
Speaker 1:If you want to follow up what's going on, go find Jonathan Finney online on LinkedIn. Go find me on LinkedIn, keep up with us on all the social medias and whatnot. But for now I'm going to let you guys go. I'm going to go find some nachos and see if I can make a botana of my own. I will talk to you all this week again, right before July 4th, we'll have another episode of the waves podcast and then, um, next week if I can figure out how to, how to do that from the road I will be out of town next week in another country that I've never been to and there are waves there, so maybe it'll be some, uh, some, some waves from a different, a different equatorial part of the world. Anyway, hope y'all have a wonderful evening. Thanks for listening always fun to chit chat. I appreciate you guys see.
